Building Confidence


Volume 22 Issue 4
ISSN 1923-7162


Welcome to Dave's Shop Talk's Home Improvement Newsletter of questions from our members on their construction projects, a Tip of the Month and a home remodeling article, both from our website at https://daveosborne.com.

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Tips of the Month

When attaching a beam onto posts, install scabs over the joint for strength.

Before removing a wall during a renovation, be sure to determine if it can be removed safely, or is it holding up a floor, ceiling or roof.

Ask Dave!

Hi Dave, Can you tell me the correct way to finish vinyl siding around my windows, especially the bottom? It appears I certainly have not done it right and I do want to make it look good and also keep out the weather. Kindest regards, Dennis

Hi Dennis,

Here is how I did my windows with vinyl siding:

Photo of an outside window trim.

This window is under a 24" overhang, so doesn't need a drip cap.

Photo of exterior patio door trim.

This Patio door has a drip cap over the door as well as over the trim board.

You need to put a wood trim around a window if installing vinyl siding. The trim is caulked to the window and not to the J-molding.

There is a correct way of installing the trim around a window. Start at the bottom with the trim board flush with the window on the ends. Then install the sides flush with the top of the window and bypassing the bottom trim board, flush to the bottom, Then put in the top trim over the sides.

Here is a drawing of the trim around a window:

Drawing of typical 1x4 window trim.

Here is a link to my article on Vinyl siding:
https://daveosborne.com/dave/articles/how-to-install-vinyl-siding.php

Hope this helps,

Dave

Four years ago we moved to this old farm house in central Maine. I've done a great deal of work here, including much plumbing, heating system, electrical and so on. The house is attached to a three bay, 1/2 story garage which partially adjoins the kitchen. To accommodate my wife's back condition which makes stair climbing problematic going forward, I intend to finish the garage into a master bedroom and bath starting this summer. The garage has a two bedroom one bath seasonal guest apartment on the second floor so water and septic lines are in place. Here's the overview and I would appreciate any comment you might make: The concrete floor of the garage is approximately 8 1/2" lower than the abutting kitchen floor. To raise this I intend to first cover the concrete with 4mil poly, then with three inches of rigid foam insulation. The only walls in this section of the garage...10'X24' will be petitions for the bathroom, plus I will need to relocate the stairs to the second floor to the center of the long span. In order to relocate the stairs and to fit them properly, the stairs will need to come about four treads to a landing, then turn 90 degrees to the floor. I will frame this stair well directly from the second floor to the concrete floor. The new bathroom will be installed in the further end of this bay of the garage, and will be framed at this time also. Once the framing is done, I will lay the foam insulation and frame with 2X6 on top of the foam, placing the subfloor on the 2X6 subfloor. My intention is to create a thermal break over as much of the concrete as possible. The space is defined by two posts down the 24' width of the building, so 10X24 is the only space I have to work with. Once that is completed, I will insulate the exterior wall, framed 2X4, with 3 1/2" of wool insulation and then with 2" of rigid foam over the studs, strapping that, and then applying sheetrock. The exterior wall of the garage is 1" shiplapped boards which I do not want to disturb and although spray foam would provide the best sealant for the exterior, the cost makes foam not feasible for this project. When this project is completed, I will have one bay that is fully enclosed with the new bathroom in one end, a stair well in the center and a mud room of sorts from the remainder of the garage. This will complete this season's project and we will continue to use the garage until the next phase which will include expanding the garage out the side of the mudroom later. My questions here: Is 4 mil poly sufficient for a vapor/thermal break on this old floor? Secondly, I intend to frame the floor with 2X6 over the rigid foam, pinning the cross pieces to the studs on the walls on either side. I am not entirely comfortable framing directly over the foam insulation and am concerned that there might be some "give" in the center of this ten foot span. A friend who is a retired builder said this will not be an issue, but I thought I'd ask for your opinion. I have used your stair calculator previously for an exterior stair that I built to give access to the second floor of the small barn on the rear of the property. I am fairly comfortable with the idea of moving the stairs and building them onto a new landing. The main issue here will be the need to cut three or four rafters in the open ceiling above in order to make the stairwell itself. The two posts that define the width of the space support double 2X8's and I believe that these should not be cut, so I am assuming my position for the new stair well must be between these two members. Do you agree? Any comments you can make will be appreciated.

Hi Roger,

You have been busy!

I would go with the 6 mil vapor barrier poly. This has UV protection. I know it seems weird when you need UV in the dark, but that is what the code requires and it stands up much better.

Your friend is correct - the 2x6 floor joists are good for a 9'-4" span at 16" centers. That is good to secure the joists on the studs on the sides. I would extend the joist into the studs on the ends, as well, to keep them up right. Also, I would put a row of 2x6 solid bridging down the center of the span and nail/screw and glue the subfloor to the joists. This really helps it become 1 unit. Use sub-floor adhesive in a tube, following the instructions on the tube.

One more tip, when framing the landing for the stairs to turn 90 degrees, calculate the height of the landing as 1 of the steps in the stairs. Take into consideration the thickness of insulation and joists and subfloor in your calculations. The code does not require the rises to be the same above and below the landing, but I prefer to do this. I go into this in more depth in this article:
https://daveosborne.com/dave/articles/staircase-landing.php

Hope this helps,

Dave

Dave, I'm building a soffit around some plumbing along the ceiling, it'll be appx 13ft long x 10" high. I'm planning on building it with some 1x2 to save space, need to get the sheet rock as close to some pipes as possible. What screws are the best for the smaller wood, to prevent splitting and so on. Thanks, Greg

Hi Greg,

Use the standard drywall screw that is #6 x 1 1/4". Go with a 2x2 where possible, especially on the outside corner. This makes it easier to screw from both sides of the corner.

Dave

Feature Article of the Month

(taken from our website: DaveOsborne.com

Plumbing and Ventilation 2: How to Remove and Replace Plumbing Fixtures

There are times in home improvement when the home owner must replace a plumbing fixture or at least remove it. I'm referring to removing the toilet, removing the bathtub and sink faucets or just removing a valve stem to replace its washer.

Home Improvement: Removing The Toilet

Let's start with removing the toilet, which should be removed if the toilet leaks at the floor (it's possibly the wax seal) or if the toilet is plugged and the pipes need cleaning with a snake or you are replacing the flooring in the bathroom with tile, vinyl, hardwood, etc.

Ever wonder why there are so many names for our favorite plumbing fixture? When removing any plumbing fixture, first turn off the water. The commode (from the Southern US) should have its own shut off down near the floor, offset to the left of center. This shut off should be equipped with a 3/8" OD (outside diameter) compression fitting for a 3/8" supply tube or closet riser (from "water closet", UK). Most modern heads (toilet) are designed for this size riser. If the one you have is an old 1/2" OD riser and shut off, better change it. For 1/2" nominal copper pipe coming out of the wall, I prefer a 1/2" nominal (5/8" OD) compression fitting in the shut off with a 3/8" OD compression fitting for a riser coming off at a 90 degree angle. If the 1/2" copper pipe comes from the floor, get the same thing but a straight shut off. If your house still has galvanized pipe, there are shut offs for sale to adapt to this style as well.

Okay, the toilet shut off is turned off. Flush the crapper (from Thomas Crapper, who held the early patents for a flushable toilet.). There will be a bit of water left in the toilet tank and the toilet bowl. A wet/dry shop vacuum works great to get the last drop out of both. Remove the nut on top of the shut off around the riser tube. This riser is also attached at the toilet tank with a large plastic nut. One or the other should be removed.

At the bottom of the throne (toilet) are usually two bolts (or three for some) found under the plastic or porcelain covers. Remove these covers and remove the nuts and washers below them. Now lift the toilet bowl and toilet tank together by lifting under the toilet bowl (don't lift under the toilet tank). There will be a bit of suction felt as the wax seal comes apart. No smoking during this procedure, there is sewer gas in the pipe, which is flamable. Place the toilet on a piece of cardboard, plywood or poly sheet, not on the carpet. Before replacement, tip the toilet bowl back on its back so it's resting on the toilet tank. Be very gentle with this thing, it is made of porcelain and like china is very fragile. Clean off the horn where the wax seal goes. Have a new one ready when you replace the toilet. Notice the floor flange; it probably is plastic (if your plumbing is recent) to attach to an ABS pipe or it is brass to attach to the old lead pipe—part of the cast iron system. Clean the old wax off the floor flange, so you can inspect it to see if it is cracked or not and to see if it is attached to the floor securely.

Get a large wad of newspapers or a rag and stuff it into the hole to eliminate any sewer gas and associated smells coming up into the house. When ready to reinstall the john (toilet, but I don't know where that term came from) and the bottom is clean, install a new wax seal with flange, also called a Kant Leak wax seal. You can either put the flange down into the floor flange or the wax side up into the bottom of the toilet. Pick the toilet up by the bowl again and carefully line it up with the closet bolts sticking out of the floor flange. Gently lower the unit onto the bolts and put your weight into it, mashing the wax seal down as it gets closer to the floor. Rocking the toilet back and forth helps, too.

Replace the washers and nuts in the opposite order they were removed. Tighten the nuts just snug, so there isn't any movement from the toilet and replace the nut covers. Replace the nut on the supply tube, either the 3/8" compression nut on the shut off or the plastic nut at the toilet tank. There you go, that wasn't that hard was it?

Home Improvement: The Bathtub and Sink

To remove the bathtub and sink faucet, pry the small plug out of the center of the faucet handles to remove a screw holding the handle on, then unscrew the trim behind the handle. Eventually you will uncover the rough-in part of the control. To replace this with a new one, the entire unit must be replaced. Each new unit has very good instructions with diagrams, so I won't go into those. For the single handle control, remove the plug again in the center of the control handle, which conceals a screw to remove it. The large round trim can then be easily removed by unscrewing the two screws holding it in place. To remove the bathtub spout, either unscrew it like a large nut, or look under it for a hex head set screw, which holds it on.

To remove a valve stem to replace its washer, turn off the water at the shut off or at the main, depending if it is for a sink, bathtub or shower. Remove the handle as mentioned above. Use an adjustable wrench to remove the nut directly below the handle. After the nut is free, take the handle and put it on the stem and open the valve as if turning on the water; the stem should come right out. Notice the rubber washer at the end of the stem held in place with a brass screw. Remove this washer and replace it with an identical one, that is a flat if it was flat or a bevel it is bevelled. Check the o-ring or packing to make sure it doesn't need replacing while the stem is out. The washer prevents water from going out the spout and the o-ring or packing prevents water from coming out the end of the stem around the handle when the water is turned on. If you have a problem getting your trim off, send me an e-mail and describe your particular fitting to me and together we should be able to work it out.

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